again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde

Sekcia: Aplikácie & Desktop 09.02.2009 | 16:52
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zdravim chlapci

,takze po 2 mesiacoch uz ma nebavi mat kartu len tak zalozenu a nevyuzivat ju , takze,

kartu mam nadetekovanu spravne , v rc.local , mam zapisanu spravne detekciu
rmmod cx8800 cx88xx tuner
modprobe cx88xx card=5 tuner=38
modprobe cx8800
#modprobe tuner

, jedna sa presne o tuto kartu:

Multimedia video controller: Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05)
Subsystem: LeadTek Research Inc. Device 6211
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 17
Memory at ee000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
Capabilities: <access denied>
Kernel driver in use: cx8800
Kernel modules: cx8800


, moduly by som mal mat spravne zavedene .ale hodim sem vypis ,,,

lsmod | grep cx*

cx8800 31236 0
cx88xx 69800 1 cx8800
lockd 66732 1 nfsd
nfs_acl 4864 1 nfsd
auth_rpcgss 34976 1 nfsd
sunrpc 174688 8 nfsd,lockd,nfs_acl,auth_rpcgss
tuner_xc2028 23600 1 tuner
xc5000 13192 1 tuner
videobuf_dvb 8324 1 cx88xx
dvb_core 81024 1 videobuf_dvb
ppp_generic 25116 0
snd_pcsp 11048 0
shpchp 34068 0
pci_hotplug 28064 1 shpchp
i2c_nforce2 8580 0
parport_pc 37700 1
parport 33004 3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc
processor 41388 1 thermal
ac 6020 0
videodev 34176 4 tuner,cx8800,cx88xx,bttv
v4l1_compat 15364 1 videodev
ir_common 40452 2 cx88xx,bttv
compat_ioctl32 3072 2 cx8800,bttv
i2c_algo_bit 7556 2 cx88xx,bttv
v4l2_common 13184 3 tuner,cx8800,bttv
videobuf_dma_sg 12932 3 cx8800,cx88xx,bttv
videobuf_core 17668 5 cx8800,cx88xx,videobuf_dvb,bttv,videobuf_dma_sg
btcx_risc 6408 3 cx8800,cx88xx,bttv
tveeprom 13956 2 cx88xx,bttv
i2c_core 22804 17 tuner,cx88xx,tea5767,tda8290,tda18271,tda827x,tuner_xc2028,xc5000,tda9887,tuner_simple,mt20xx,tea5761,i2c_nforce2,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,v4l2_common,tveeprom
snd_ac97_codec 102308 1 snd_intel8x0
snd_seq_device 8204 3 snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_pcm_oss 40192 0
snd_pcm 70020 5 snd_pcsp,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer 21384 3 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd_page_alloc 10120 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm
snd_mixer_oss 16512 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd 50852 21 snd_pcsp,snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_mpu401,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_mixer_oss
soundcore 8160 1 snd
ac97_bus 3584 1 snd_ac97_codec
slhc 7552 1 ppp_generic
forcedeth 56592 0
rtc_cmos 12332 0
rtc_core 17564 1 rtc_cmos
rtc_lib 4480 1 rtc_core
mbcache 8708 1 ext3
ohci_hcd 25360 0
ehci_hcd 36876 0
cdrom 35360 1 sr_mod
usbcore 136848 4 usbhid,ohci_hcd,ehci_hcd
ata_generic 6788 0
libata 158112 2 ata_generic,pata_amd
scsi_mod 102164 4 sg,sd_mod,sr_mod,libata


este

lsmod | grep bttv


bttv 165332 0
videodev 34176 4 tuner,cx8800,cx88xx,bttv
ir_common 40452 2 cx88xx,bttv
compat_ioctl32 3072 2 cx8800,bttv
i2c_algo_bit 7556 2 cx88xx,bttv
v4l2_common 13184 3 tuner,cx8800,bttv
videobuf_dma_sg 12932 3 cx8800,cx88xx,bttv
videobuf_core 17668 5 cx8800,cx88xx,videobuf_dvb,bttv,videobuf_dma_sg
btcx_risc 6408 3 cx8800,cx88xx,bttv
tveeprom 13956 2 cx88xx,bttv
i2c_core 22804 17 tuner,cx88xx,tea5767,tda8290,tda18271,tda827x,tuner_xc2028,xc5000,tda9887,tuner_simple,mt20xx,tea5761,i2c_nforce2,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,v4l2_common,tveeprom


- no a problem je ten ze

v kdetv mi ide zvuk ale obraz nie , ( btw. ten zvuk zapinam/vypinam cez "v4lctl volume mute off" resp. "v4lctl volume mute on") ,
v tvtime pise no signal (modra obrazovka) , ak zakomentujem rc.local tak zacne zrnit ale nechce skenovat
v xawtv zrni ale nic viac

...............
nemam sajnu uz , 2x sa mi podarilo ju spojazdnit ,naposledy bola zle detekovana , nasledne myslim ze prisiel upgrade kernelu alebo novy xorg (uz sa nepamatam) a prestala slapat, a teraz uz nemam paru ako dalej ...

ak mate niekto nejaky napad tak budem vdacny ;-)

thX
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    • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 09.02.2009 | 18:01
      ujo   Návštevník
      tato karta je podporovana cx88 modulom, bttv sa uz dost dlho nepouziva pre tuto kartu(uz nim neni ani podporovana), tie optiony k zavadzaniu modulu mozes vyhodit, modul sam detekuje tuner, problem s obrazom moze byt prave zle nastaveny model tuneru preto radsej nechaj autodetekciu
      • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 09.02.2009 | 20:30
        Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
        tak bttv som vyhodil z modules, pridal tam cx8800 ,
        rc.local som upravil ako radis teda:
        rmmod cx8800 cx88xx tuner
        modprobe cx88xx #card=5 tuner=38
        modprobe cx8800
        modprobe tuner

        , v tomto pripade kartu nedetekovalo ,v kdetv pise Video4Linux2:uknown/generic , dalej tvtime pri spusteni
        tvtime-scanner vyhodi
        Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml
        Reading configuration from /home/lazzio/.tvtime/tvtime.xml
        Scanning using TV standard PAL.
        /home/lazzio/.tvtime/stationlist.xml: No existing PAL station list "Custom".
        videoinput: Can't get tuner info: Neprípustný argument
        videoinput: Can't get tuner info: Neprípustný argument

        No tuner found on input 0. If you have a tuner, please
        select a different input using --input=<num>.

        , este pre doplnenie hodim vypis modules.conf
        # /etc/modprobe.conf (for v2.6 kernels)
        options snd_intel8x0 ac97_quirk=0
        #disable autoload of ipv6
        alias net-pf-10 off
        #options card = 5
        alias char-major-81-0 CX23880
        #options cx88xx #card=5 tuner=38

        , tym co si pisal ze nechat autodetekciu si myslel iba zakomentovat tie optiony ? alebo treba nieco dopisat na autodetekciu ? lebo vidis , system nenasiel kartu ...

        vdaka
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        • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 09.02.2009 | 21:01
          ujo   Návštevník
          aku verziu jadra mas? a mozes hodit aj vypis z dmesg ohladne tej karty
          • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 09.02.2009 | 21:06
            WlaSaTy   Návštevník
            ono by sa hodilo dat vypis aj s skupin dostupnych danemu uzivatelovi a aj vlastnosti pre v2l zariadenia.

            id
            find /dev -ls | grep -i vid

            mozno len nema pravo kukat telku lebo neni v skupine video.
            • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 09.02.2009 | 22:05
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              find /dev -ls | grep -i vid
              11933 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 feb 9 20:10 /dev/video0 -> v4l/video0
              11930 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 feb 9 20:10 /dev/video -> v4l/video0
              11974 0 crw-rw---- 1 root video feb 9 20:10 /dev/v4l/vbi0
              11988 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 feb 9 20:10 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:01:09.0-video-index1 -> ../vbi0
              11937 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 feb 9 20:10 /dev/v4l/by-path/pci-0000:01:09.0-video-index0 -> ../video0
              11922 0 crw-rw---- 1 root video feb 9 20:12 /dev/v4l/video0
              11799 0 crw-rw-rw- 1 root video feb 9 20:10 /dev/dri/card0
              2367 0 crw-rw---- 1 root video feb 9 20:09 /dev/fb/0
              11927 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 feb 9 20:10 /dev/char/81:0 -> ../v4l/video0
              11986 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/v4l\\x2fby-path\\x2fpci-0000:01:09.0-video-index1
              11987 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/v4l\\x2fby-path\\x2fpci-0000:01:09.0-video-index1/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvbi0
              11984 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/vbi0/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvbi0
              11981 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/vbi/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvbi0
              11978 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/char\\x2f81:1/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvbi0
              11976 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/v4l\\x2fvbi0/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvbi0
              11934 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/v4l\\x2fby-path\\x2fpci-0000:01:09.0-video-index0
              11935 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/v4l\\x2fby-path\\x2fpci-0000:01:09.0-video-index0/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvideo0
              11931 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/video0
              11932 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/video0/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvideo0
              11928 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/video
              11929 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/video/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvideo0
              11926 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/char\\x2f81:0/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvideo0
              11923 0 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/v4l\\x2fvideo0
              11924 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/names/v4l\\x2fvideo0/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvideo0
              11973 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 107 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/db/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvbi0
              11920 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 113 feb 9 20:10 /dev/.udev/db/\\x2fclass\\x2fvideo4linux\\x2fvideo0
              4768 0 crw------- 1 root video feb 9 20:09 /dev/misc/agpgart


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          • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 09.02.2009 | 21:21
            Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
            bolo to dlhe , tak som to dal na pastebin CLICK
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            • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 09.02.2009 | 21:45
              ujo   Návštevník
              v kernel configu by mala byt moznost zapnut autodetekciu tuneru a karty, pokial neni prideleny ziadny parameter modulu snazi sa urcit hodnoty sam, ked budem zajtra pri kompe zistim ti hodnotu tuner parametra
              • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 09.02.2009 | 22:06
                Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
                oukej ,

                vdaka
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              • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 10.02.2009 | 22:57
                Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
                cauko, pozrel si sa na ten parameter? :-)
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                • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 11:43
                  ujo   Návštevník
                  tak som to pozeral a je to card=5 a tuner=38, ako vidim tie parametre si pouzival aj povodne, no skus do modprobe dat len

                  options cx8800 card=5 tuner=38

                  a do rc.conf pridaj do MODULES=(cx8800)

                  on si tie ostatne moduly potom nahra automaticky, z rc.local potom mozes vymazat tie moduly
                  • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 15:37
                    Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
                    rc.local :
                    #rmmod cx8800 cx88xx tuner
                    #modprobe cx88xx card=0 tuner=0
                    #modprobe cx8800
                    #modprobe tuner


                    rc.conf:
                    MODULES=(forcedeth slhc ac97_bus snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-oss snd-seq-device snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-page-alloc snd-pcm snd-rawmidi snd-timer snd snd-mpu401-uart snd-mpu401 snd-ac97-codec snd-intel8x0 soundcore fuse cx8800 tun)

                    modprobe.conf: options snd_intel8x0 ac97_quirk=0
                    #disable autoload of ipv6
                    alias net-pf-10 off
                    #options card = 5
                    alias char-major-81-0 CX23880
                    options cx8800 card=5 tuner=38


                    , ked to je takto :
                    , kdetv pise: No device found ,
                    , tvtime-scanner:

                    Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml
                    Reading configuration from /home/lazzio/.tvtime/tvtime.xml
                    Scanning using TV standard PAL.
                    /home/lazzio/.tvtime/stationlist.xml: No existing PAL station list "Custom".
                    videoinput: Cannot open capture device /dev/video0: Adresár alebo súbor neexistuje


                    , hrabal som sa aj v logoch , a co sa tyka karty tak som nasiel iba toto ( pri takto upravenych conf.):
                    cx8800: Unknown parameter `card'

                    -skusal som asi uz vsetky mozne kombinacie ale netusim kde je problem,
                    mas este nejaku fintu v rukave ?:-)

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                    • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 16:36
                      ujo   Návštevník
                      tak to vypada ze tie parametre sa mozu pridelit len cx88xx modulu, tak skus este zamenit cx8800 za cx88xx a potom skus pastnut vystup z tvtime
                      • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 17:14
                        Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
                        oprava, tvtime som spustal cez ikonu , pisalo no signal, potom som pustil tvtime-scanner a vyhodilo toto:
                        Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml
                        Reading configuration from /home/lazzio/.tvtime/tvtime.xml
                        Scanning using TV standard PAL.
                        /home/lazzio/.tvtime/stationlist.xml: No existing PAL station list "Custom".
                        Scanning from 44,00 MHz to 958,00 MHz.
                        Found a channel at 47,50 MHz (46,00 - 49,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 64,00 MHz (63,50 - 64,25 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 126,50 MHz (125,00 - 128,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 139,50 MHz (138,00 - 141,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 147,25 MHz (146,25 - 148,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 160,50 MHz (159,00 - 162,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 182,50 MHz (181,00 - 184,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 198,50 MHz (197,00 - 200,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 209,50 MHz (208,00 - 211,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 223,50 MHz (222,00 - 224,75 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 229,50 MHz (228,75 - 230,25 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 237,50 MHz (236,00 - 239,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 244,50 MHz (243,00 - 246,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 252,00 MHz (251,00 - 253,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 259,25 MHz (258,25 - 260,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 265,50 MHz (264,00 - 267,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 273,00 MHz (272,00 - 274,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 279,50 MHz (278,00 - 281,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 286,75 MHz (285,50 - 288,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 293,50 MHz (292,00 - 295,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 302,50 MHz (301,00 - 304,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 310,50 MHz (309,00 - 312,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 318,75 MHz (317,50 - 320,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 326,50 MHz (325,00 - 328,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 335,00 MHz (334,00 - 336,00 MHz), adding to channel list.
                        Found a channel at 342,50 MHz (341,00 - 344,00 MHz), adding to channel list.

                        ,ked to dokoncilo, po opatovnom spusteni aj tak blue screen a no signal .... (kdetv ide....
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                        • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 17:19
                          ujo   Návštevník
                          ano to je spravne, aby sa pouzil config co bol vytvoreny tvtime-scannerom ako som uz spominal musis v menu tvtime prepnut channel list na custom(alebo tak nejak po pamati presne neviem), restartnut aplikaciu a nasledne by malo vsetko fungovat
                          • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 18:33
                            Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
                            okej uz to slape ale bez zvuku a treba este doladit obraz, snad sa podari , tvtime vyzera byt stabilny, lebo kdetv mi dost casto zmrzne a vyhodi hlasku ze:
                            unable to grab video
                            Video display is not possible with the current configuration.Try playing with the configuration options of the V4L2 plugin. ,,cize skusam kombinovat ,raz ide raz sekne ,,ale vyzera ze to pojde .


                            dakujem ujo :-)
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                  • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 16:42
                    Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
                    zmena , tak hral som sa tymi pismenkami pri module cx88xx alebo cx8800 a kombinoval to so subormi , a ked uz som sa nato siel vys*at, tak posledna kombinacia ide , ale v tvtime pise no signal stale, nechapem , takze tu skopcim ako to mam , mozno Ti to da logiku :-) ...

                    modprobe.conf:
                    options snd_intel8x0 ac97_quirk=0
                    #disable autoload of ipv6
                    alias net-pf-10 off
                    #options card=5
                    alias char-major-81-0 CX23880
                    options cx88xx card=5 tuner=38

                    neviem naco sluzia ostane riadky ako alias char-major-81-0 CX23880 a tiez alias net-pf-10 off


                    rc.conf:
                    MODULES=(forcedeth slhc ac97_bus snd-mixer-oss snd-pcm-oss snd-seq-oss snd-seq-device snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-page-alloc snd-pcm snd-rawmidi snd-timer snd snd-mpu401-uart snd-mpu401 snd-ac97-codec snd-intel8x0 soundcore fuse cx88xx tun)


                    rc.local:
                    #rmmod cx8800 cx88xx tuner
                    modprobe cx88xx card=5 tuner=38
                    modprobe cx88xx
                    modprobe tuner


                    , takze tak . dikes za pomoc,, uvidime ako dlho to pojde :-)

                    P.S. , ked som mal v modprobe.conf cx8xx a v rc.conf cx8800 , alebo naopak , (uz nepamatam) tak pri bootovani , kde kontrolovalo moduly vyhodilo hlasku :

                    FATAL: Error inserting cx8800 (/lib/modules/2.6.28-ARCH/kernel/driver/media/video/cx88/cx8800.ko); Unknown symbol in module , or unknown parameter(see dmesg)
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                    • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 17:08
                      ujo   Návštevník
                      neviem ci som to spravne pochopil ale v kdetv ti uz obraz ide?, v tvtime moze byt problem v zlej nastavenej norme, da sa tam nastavit aj custom a potom pomocou tvtime-scanner prebehnut cele pasmo namiesto tych predvolenych kanalov

                      btw v modprobe.conf by ti malo stacit
                      options cx88xx card=5 tuner=38
                      a v rc.conf v MODULES cx88xx a ostatne moduly by ti mal udev automaticky natiahnut, no pokial nepouzivas autoloadovanie modulou udevom tak tam okrem cx88xx musis napratat aj cx8800 a tuner
                      • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 19:11
                        Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
                        jop, uz slape kdetv(zvuk ide iba vdaka baliku xawtv, kde ho spustam ako som hore pisal cez v4ctl atd..) aj tvtime(bez zvuku) .,,
                        este otazka , ak som spravne pochopil ,ked chcem urobit nejaku zmenu v tvtime napr normu obrazu ,zvuku atd, tak to zmenim v menu a potom znova preskenovat ?

                        -tie moduly som pridal ale ziadna zmena, podla mna ich loaduje automaticky ,,teda myslim si, da sa to nejako zistit ?

                        dik :-)
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                        • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 19:39
                          ujo   Návštevník
                          k modulom pokial mas v rc.conf MOD_AUTOLOAD=yes tak ich loaduje udev, v rc.local nemusis pridavat nic ohladne tej karty, co sa tyka zvuku tak karta by mala byt prepojena so zvukovou kartou kablom, otvor si kmix alebo alsamixer a skontroluj mixi pravdepodobne bude mutnuty vstup kde je pripojena tv karta, co viem tak kdetv obsahuje bug co znemoznuje prehravanie zuku(bez nejakych externych uprav ako si pisal), s tvtime neni problem a cez konfig sa daju nastavit rozne featury, co sa tyka skenovania tak mas dve moznosti bud pouzit station list podla normy kde su preddefinovane kanaly albo pouzit custom a tvtime-scanner zmeny sa zapisu do stationlist.xml kde si mozes zmenit nazvy a pozicie, jas atd., pokial mas vytvoreny stationlist tak skenovat uz viac nemusis
                          • Re: again winfast 2000xp expert , obraz nejde 11.02.2009 | 20:29
                            Avatar lazzio F16  Používateľ
                            thank you very much ;-)
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